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Posted onPost created on September 23 2013 06:36 ET by Matthias Paul

I really don´t understand the AFVA flight schedule. Today i´ve searched for outbound flights from MAD. I found UX 9164 MAD-LPA. But if i look at the AFVA schedule for the return flight UX 9165 LPA-MAD, the flight don´t appears in the schedule. So my question is now: Can we only do flights that can be found in the AFVA flight schedules, or (like in this case) can i do the UX 9165 from LPA to MAD too ? What are the rules ?

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Posted onPost created on September 23 2013 06:47 ET by James Lightbody

I'm not familiar with this specific occurrence so take my advice here with a grain of salt. With that said, I'm lead to believe the return flight, LPA-MAD does exist, it just doesn't operate today. You could wait for it's day of the week to come up (like I said, I'm not familiar with this route so I'm not sure when that may be).

OR

As per NOTAM 32, you can request a Bail Out Charter if there is no return. Keep in mind this will only return you to MAD (which seems to be you intention anyway, so it's not a big deal). Visit http://www.afva.net/notams.do for more information on NOTAM 32.

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Posted onPost created on September 23 2013 06:55 ET by Matthias Paul

James Lightbody wrote:

I'm not familiar with this specific occurrence so take my advice here with a grain of salt. With that said, I'm lead to believe the return flight, LPA-MAD does exist, it just doesn't operate today. You could wait for it's day of the week to come up (like I said, I'm not familiar with this route so I'm not sure when that may be).......

The return flight UX9165 operates today. So what i don´t understand is, why some flights of an airline are in the schedule and other flights are not ? And to request a charter makes imo no sense if it is a regular scheduled flight ?! I don´t understand the whole system that stands behind the AFVA schedule, because this is not only a problem for UX flights, there a many flights (from airlines we can fly at AFVA) that operates daily and you don´t find this flights in the AFVA schedules.

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Posted onPost created on September 23 2013 07:41 ET by Paul Hale

Matthias,

I understand your frustrations regarding this issue.
What we have here is that not all Air Europa flights are codeshared with Air France.
It may seem a little strange but we can be codeshared with the outbound from Madrid to in this case Las Palmas, but not codeshared on the return leg(I have seen this on a number of occasions)
At AFVA we only have the Air Europa codeshared flights within the schedule not the entire Air Europa schedule and this seems to be the case with this particular flight.
I have looked at the full schedules and we do not operate Air Europa 9165 at all, so my guess is as above, Air France are not codeshared on this return flight.

We do however have UX9239 in the schedules today that is the exact same route from Las Palmas to Madrid, which can be flown.

Hope this helps you out!

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Posted onPost created on September 23 2013 07:50 ET by Matthias Paul

Thanks a lot Paul. Now i understand that we can only fly AF-Codeshare flights. That makes everything clear. And i checked the return flight UX9165 again and it´s not a codeshare with AF. So now it´s clear why the flight isn´t in the AFVA schedule.

Matthias Paul

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